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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- WTH! i kinda getting the feeling that this might be the end but... k i just read it's RAW so i personally don't understand all the Japanese in it...but one of my kind friend who knows decent Japanese translated some of it for me...i asked him again and again but he said he was telling seriously and try to gather the truth from some other places too but they all are saying the same thing... Here's the ending:- Rin Graduated High School and came to understand her "true" feelings for Daikichi that she loves him more than as a "father" figure....as u know rin's biological mother also likes old guys so the same goes for daughter... ofcourse when she confess her feelings to daikichii,he totally freaked out but rin has decided that she will stay by his side and took care for him as rest of his life... and in the end they both decided to get married...Yup! folks MARRIAGE... |
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| What. the. fuck. Really ? |
| Daikichi once again shows that he is as much as a kid as Rin and Kouki during his scream match with Kouki and not having the tact to move seats while sitting with Rin. Maybe I'm just trying to make something out of it. Anyways, I am glad that Daikichi is giving it a chance. |
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| Hey, I raised you like my daughter for 10 years, but since now you like me, I'll think about you as woman... And you know what, even if we end up having sex every night you are my kid. That alone won't change... And what was that about Kouki's mom? Daikichi couldn't make her happy? He asked her to live with him twice and she said no. How could this be his fault? And it's not like he gave her strong reasons to say no. |
| Much respect to daikichi, he is letting her think about it for 2 more years! If she doesn't change her mind in those 2 years she never will, so much respect to him to let her really think about it. And she really sure about it, so I'm happy with how it will end up. |
| Daikichi was buying time. In his mind, I think he's hoping she will have changed her mind and found someone else who she'd have an interest in. At the very least, it gives him time to grasp what she actually wants from him. That and graduation is the time when you become and adult and be able to make your own choices. It would make sense for him to want her to first finish school before she thinks of shacking up with him. It's really a tight rope act Daikichi is playing. He wants Rin to find someone else to make her happy and he'd be happy for them. However, he doesn't want to lose her and shutting out her feelings too harshly could only lead her to despair. In this chapter, when Rin asked why he chose to take her in he said, "you were crying with a terrible face, on that day." Daikichi couldn't bare the thought of Rin being alone in the world. A fate he thought would be assured if the family did send her to a facility. Daikichi can never turn Rin away completely. As much as he's freaking out and trying to change her mind, If she persists and is adamant about being his wife, he will give in and do this. ------------------ Even though I understand it, I'm not terribly fond of this ending scenario at all. I feel the moral hazard of breaking down the child/parent relationship and turning it into a coupling makes this ending a bit too taboo for my tastes. It's obvious that the author is going for the construct of a "soulmate" plot where she thinks Rin and Daikichi are two souls that complete each other despite their differences in age and circumstance. I still love the characters. Both Rin and Daikichi. I just don't like what the author did to them in the end. |
Cirris said: Daikichi was buying time. In his mind, I think he's hoping she will have changed her mind and found someone else who she'd have an interest in. At the very least, it gives him time to grasp what she actually wants from him. [...] It's really a tight rope act Daikichi is playing. He wants Rin to find someone else to make her happy and he'd be happy for them. However, he doesn't want to lose her and shutting out her feelings too harshly could only lead her to despair. [...] That summarizes pretty well what I was thinking. However, I seriously doubt Rin will change her mind in two years, at which point Daikichi will find himself forced to marry her. This makes no sense in my mind because Daikichi loves her as his child, not as a woman. As such, he'll be starting a romantic relationship not out of romantic love, but out of fear of losing her as a daughter. I'm sorry, but I call "stupidest plot device ever". And Kouki remains an idiot. Why did he bother to try and act all mature all of a sudden? Didn't really work. And the "if you make her cry, you'll have to deal with me" phrase is such a horrible cliche. |
| I don't like the way this is going. :/ Daikichi should have known that this is just plain wrong, he said himself he only sees Rin as his daughter and that this fact will never change. He should've just told her the relationship she wants is impossible. She will find someone else eventually, it's not as if the so-called "one true love" or "soul mates" really exists, this is just bullshit. |
| Only one chapter left in order to conclude all this "mess". And there will be a time skip again, it seems.... There could have been so many different ways to end this manga, why does it have to be the most weird and random way? I'll never understand it. |
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| I don't get this, the author has the right to do what she want with his story and you have the right not to read it if you dislike it. Simple and easy logic not? :) |
| Usagi Drop should be the best anime I'll watch this year, but the manga with the worst end. Tragic. But seriously, I would at least give a beating in her, even if it did not change the end and ended up accepting her love was not the case to slap her to wake up? |
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Fnights said: Logic need not apply with this lot.I don't get this, the author has the right to do what she want with his story and you have the right not to read it if you dislike it. Simple and easy logic not? :) I hope I never reach a state where I no longer enjoy anime and manga but continue to watch it, while constantly pointing out asinine "flaws". This stuff supposed to be entertainment, but people go around treating it like a second (or in some cases, a real) job. It's just beyond me. On topic: I glad to see Daikichi still acting like a parent about this, while obviously, he is beginning to have those parental mental-barriers decay. I'm really looking forward to seeing him decide and how it will all work out. |
MezzolithJul 20, 2011 11:54 AM
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence...” |
| Woah, woah, woah. I'm sensing something bad, so let me just say that committing ad hominem in argument is what usually petty fights, and we're dangerously close. Fnights said: I don't get this, the author has the right to do what she want with his story and you have the right not to read it if you dislike it. Simple and easy logic not? :) As for this statement, while I believe you are right (and wrong) in some ways by saying this, you are over-simplifying the situation here. In general, however, you have to keep this in mind. The moment something is released to the public, it is subject to positive or negative feedback by its readers, and they have the right to give it. This is something that budding writers learn and, once they hit professionally, have to prepare for. Once it hits that stage, writing is no longer for self-satisfaction. From the side of the readers, they are given this right once they are emotionally invested in a work for a reasonable period of time and seen the good and bad with a clear mind. If we go by the adage you proposed all the time, then all we'd be doing the whole time is kissing each other's asses. There's only two situations where the "if you don't like it, don't read" advice should be taken. First: People who have read a very small portion of it (say, for example, one chapter) and immediately disliked it, where their dislike for it due to the genre rather than the content itself is apparent and they only keep reading to spite the work and/or its readers. Judging from the posts here, none of us are that. Second: People reading a series 40 or so chapters over a long period of time past the point where they know where they dislike the plot elements to the extent where they immediately go into a flame fest for the hell of it *coughKNIMcough* is when one can rightfully say, "You should just stop reading." The case of the Usagi Drop fandom is different because this plot development came up only around 10 or so chapters ago under a significantly improved release schedule, and while some readers have disliked Part 2 when it came up in Chapter 25, most of them continued reading not out of spite or for the hell of it but out of hope that it will, in their eyes, improve. When faced with such a situation, and it does not get better, readers are entitled to give some mild form of criticism and discuss what they believe went wrong. If the people here were spending time here 24/7 waiting to jump at the chance for nitpicking, then yes, it is wrong. However, readers should not be deterred from the right to voice their reactions to a work, even if they are negative. |
| Too long, Bakazuki. Just this was enough: I don't get this, we're discussing the series in a thread to discuss the series and you're free not to read it. Simple and easy logic not? :) It's called critical thinking. It's what separates the rational fan from the fanboy/girl that buys anything as long as he/she likes it. About the series: Cirris said: I feel the moral hazard of breaking down the child/parent relationship and turning it into a coupling makes this ending a bit too taboo for my tastes. I still love the characters. Both Rin and Daikichi. I just don't like what the author did to them in the end. You know, I have no problems with the taboo per se. The problem IMO is that it looks like something she did just to add drama and conflict to the end of the manga. If it was something developed during the series, it wouldn't be that bad, even though I still wouldn't like it. In fact, it's pretty common for authors to mess up the end of episodic or slice of life series, since many don't have a main plot to solve and they need to come up with something to end with a bang. |
bassa_x said: m4rc0 said: And what was that about Kouki's mom? Daikichi couldn't make her happy? He asked her to live with him twice and she said no. How could this be his fault? And it's not like he gave her strong reasons to say no. Yeah what was that It would've been great if Daikichi ended with Kouki's mom, and Rin with less stupid version of Koukin. I like this ending better, koukin is not good for Rin. She just wants to stay with daikichi! |
m4rc0 said: Too long, Bakazuki. Just this was enough: I don't get this, we're discussing the series in a thread to discuss the series and you're free not to read it. Simple and easy logic not? :) It's called critical thinking. It's what separates the rational fan from the fanboy/girl that buys anything as long as he/she likes it. Well, yeah, that's the gist of it, but it doesn't explain as much, and it's so easy to misinterpret that as snarky. |
| I liked it, but... Tho, It feels like this ending has been rushed. I wish it had more chapters to give more development. Its been feeling like a dues ex machina. Ever since the whole thing between Rin and Daikichi. Its chapter 55 and I'm feeling a little cheated, there no way they can wrap this up perfectly by the next chapter. Too many loose ends. I wouldn't have minded this ending if it was given a better chance to develop but i don't want it to end like this >< But overall excluding the ending this manga has been a great ride. The first half will always be my favorite part. I really wish there was more of it. I would of rather seen Rin go through Elementary and Jr. High (whatever you call it in japan) that the time skip to High School. But that's just my opinion. I look back to reading the first chapters and I will really miss this manga once the last chapter hits. I'll really miss it. I think I'll write up a review for it :D |
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| Well, thank you, Daikichi. "Ri-right now, Rin might think this way, but...once you go off to college, or work...then there will be so many guys...as many as you want, so..." But - but - wait. Daikichi is acutely considering dating/marrying Rin?! Woah -- never saw that coming. But, he's going to 'think about it'. Huh. But, he is absolutely waiting 2 years until they make the final decision - so, if Rin finds someone new that she likes or loves, to forget her feelings for him all together. This is acutely kind of getting handled pretty tastefully. c: However, one quote does strike me as odd - "However, wherever you end up trying to land, you are always my child!" That's...interesting, to say the least. So, if they go any farther in the relationship (past father&daughter status quo) then this could get a tad awkward, right? Ughhhwahh - I don't know what to think right now. Blah! Although, it seems Kouki still loves Rin even though Daikichi is getting in the way now. That's sweet - and, could maybe lead to a non-DaikichiXRin ending? *crosses fingers* P.S: Yes - I was typing that as I read the chapter. Hopefully the last chapter comes soon!! And, I also agree with it being a really fast "Get out of jail card". The slice-of-life/josei series needed some drama and so Unita decided to add this sudden 'Rin loves Daikichi romantically' at the end...is what it feels like. @zansabarshadow: Exactly! In the bottom of my heart, this feels wayyyyy too rushed. So many loose ends, and - if Unita keeps the chapter at the average 30-40 pages, which I'm sure she will, then there are more questions than answers at the end *sigh* :T |
sillyker0nianJul 20, 2011 9:32 PM
| A wise man once said: "Incest. Incest everywhere, 'no exceptions'". |
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PaninaManina said: A wise man once said: "Incest. Incest everywhere, 'no exceptions'". Europe was build on incest, look at it now without incest it's crumbling ^^ O and btw: RIN + DIAKICHI isn't incest. |
ramonnlJul 20, 2011 11:26 PM
| From watching this topic, I'd really love to hear what some people in this fandom think of the Westermarck Effect. |
Bakazuki said: From watching this topic, I'd really love to hear what some people in this fandom think of the Westermarck Effect. Coincidence?  |
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Bakazuki said: When faced with such a situation, and it does not get better, readers are entitled to give some mild form of criticism and discuss what they believe went wrong. If the people here were spending time here 24/7 waiting to jump at the chance for nitpicking, then yes, it is wrong. However, readers should not be deterred from the right to voice their reactions to a work, even if they are negative. First of all, nobody force you to spent time reading someone else work, is entertainment yes and if you enjoy what you read till now you can't regret for the fun time you spent already. Is like watching a movie, you like it and you have fun but you don't like the ending and you ask money back. Second you logic is fail because suggesting to the author to change his vision only because there are some whiners make no sence at all. The author has a specific concept and vision in mind, change it into somehing that she don't like only to please some whiners is pretty ridiculous, is a sorta of auto-censorship. Tthe author make this story with the heart and should stay close to his vision till the end ignoring the negative comments. |
Fn76Jul 21, 2011 9:36 AM
| "Mimimi, can not speak ill of my favorite story, mimimimi. Leave Usagi Drop Alone!" Not. |
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Mezzoflation said: Fnights said: Logic need not apply with this lot.I don't get this, the author has the right to do what she want with his story and you have the right not to read it if you dislike it. Simple and easy logic not? :) I hope I never reach a state where I no longer enjoy anime and manga but continue to watch it, while constantly pointing out asinine "flaws". This stuff supposed to be entertainment, but people go around treating it like a second (or in some cases, a real) job. It's just beyond me. On topic: I glad to see Daikichi still acting like a parent about this, while obviously, he is beginning to have those parental mental-barriers decay. I'm really looking forward to seeing him decide and how it will all work out. hey beware the moral police- I dont mind this ending at all .. you kind of KNOW something like this is likely coming when Kouki is knocked off and theres.. no one else. Had they ended it in part one then thats that. But they choose to go this way I find it ENTERTAINING .. can we keep the moral policing out of it and try to simply E N J O Y the manga christ |
sirwence said: hey beware the moral police- I dont mind this ending at all .. you kind of KNOW something like this is likely coming when Kouki is knocked off and theres.. no one else. Had they ended it in part one then thats that. But they choose to go this way I find it ENTERTAINING .. can we keep the moral policing out of it and try to simply E N J O Y the manga christ Wait...wat? Is this directed at me? >_> Cause I'm all for a DaikichixRin ending. |
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| LOL @ Penguim DRin. zansabarshadow said: I really wish there was more of it. I would of rather seen Rin go through Elementary and Jr. High (whatever you call it in japan) that the time skip to High School. But that's just my opinion. I couldn't agree more. I feel like we lost A LOT. Like how Daikichi reacted when Rin got her first period, the first time she slept at a friend's house, the first time she was the host ofa sleepover, when she started to wear a bra and stuff like that. We also didn't see how he would react if she brought a boyfriend home, had a broken heart and many other stuff. The time skip was also very bad for Daikichi. NOTHING happened to him in 10 years... We could've seem how Rin not needing him so much as she got older affected his job, or him looking for a better job with good working hours and stuff like that. Also we didn't see how he would handle things if he got a girlfriend and how Rin would react to it. Also, his father friends, Gotou-san just disappeared from the manga. Haruko also vanished and I really wanted to see what happened during her divorce. She had a lot of material to work with, but decided to throw it all away. That thing with Kouki would've been much more interesting if we didn't know he ended up all right. Daikichi's proposal too. Bakazuki said: From watching this topic, I'd really love to hear what some people in this fandom think of the Westermarck Effect. I thought about that too. And even without that, I always considered the possibility of Rin being confused about her feelings, since Daikichi isn't her father. But all that works just for Rin, not Daikichi. The feelings he develops for her aren't imprinting and he knows what is familial love. |
| #Team_m4rc0 Time Skip was a sabotage. |
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| Jesus first post spoiler much? Just because it's the second to last chapter, doesn't mean you can tell what happens in the last chapter... And marriage does not mean "let's have sex everyday," at least in some cultures. Sure there could have been multiple ways part 2 could have been handled, but this was interesting and entertaining to me. Legally those 2 gettin together isn't wrong since they aren't related (after the 2 years), though morally.. that's up in the air. |
Cirris said: Daikichi was buying time. In his mind, I think he's hoping she will have changed her mind and found someone else who she'd have an interest in. At the very least, it gives him time to grasp what she actually wants from him. That and graduation is the time when you become and adult and be able to make your own choices. It would make sense for him to want her to first finish school before she thinks of shacking up with him. It's really a tight rope act Daikichi is playing. He wants Rin to find someone else to make her happy and he'd be happy for them. However, he doesn't want to lose her and shutting out her feelings too harshly could only lead her to despair. In this chapter, when Rin asked why he chose to take her in he said, "you were crying with a terrible face, on that day." Daikichi couldn't bare the thought of Rin being alone in the world. A fate he thought would be assured if the family did send her to a facility. Daikichi can never turn Rin away completely. As much as he's freaking out and trying to change her mind, If she persists and is adamant about being his wife, he will give in and do this. ------------------ Even though I understand it, I'm not terribly fond of this ending scenario at all. I feel the moral hazard of breaking down the child/parent relationship and turning it into a coupling makes this ending a bit too taboo for my tastes. It's obvious that the author is going for the construct of a "soulmate" plot where she thinks Rin and Daikichi are two souls that complete each other despite their differences in age and circumstance. I still love the characters. Both Rin and Daikichi. I just don't like what the author did to them in the end. 100% agree. I feel so blah |
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| What? He is 40, she is 17... And he is like her father! The anime was so good, but the manga is so disappointing... |
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